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The Classical Reformation - Part 3: Specific Denominations
This is from the podcast Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy by Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick
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"A look at Lutherans, Calvinists, Reformed, Zwinglians, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, and Wesleyans compared to Orthodoxy"
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My critique:
1.) Not all United Methodists are liberal, in the south(Alabama & Tennessee) I met alot of conservative ones. I also have met some conservative United Methodists that believe in the real presence.
2.) In regards to Arminianism and prevenient grace, it maybe true that Weslyian Arminianism believes that prevenient grace is for everyone, it may not be true for Arminianius himself. He believed in prevenient grace, but I am unsure if he tought it in the same universal manner as Wesly.
3.) Alot of Calvinists will deny the arbitrary and no reason charge, instead, many of them will say "He does it for His own glory". Also some Calvinists will deny the rationalism charge as well.
4.) Some Anglicans will deny or downplay the role that King Henry the 8th's divorces had in the English Reformation.
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As seen by the website:
"A look at Lutherans, Calvinists, Reformed, Zwinglians, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, and Wesleyans compared to Orthodoxy"
Play Audio
My critique:
1.) Not all United Methodists are liberal, in the south(Alabama & Tennessee) I met alot of conservative ones. I also have met some conservative United Methodists that believe in the real presence.
2.) In regards to Arminianism and prevenient grace, it maybe true that Weslyian Arminianism believes that prevenient grace is for everyone, it may not be true for Arminianius himself. He believed in prevenient grace, but I am unsure if he tought it in the same universal manner as Wesly.
3.) Alot of Calvinists will deny the arbitrary and no reason charge, instead, many of them will say "He does it for His own glory". Also some Calvinists will deny the rationalism charge as well.
4.) Some Anglicans will deny or downplay the role that King Henry the 8th's divorces had in the English Reformation.
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2 comments:
Actually The United Methodist Church officially teaches a doctrine of the Real Presence that is similar to Anglicanism and the Reformed tradition. In the epiclesis of our liturgy the presbyter prays that the Holy Spirit will be poured upon the elements "...that they may be for us the body and blood of Christ..."
But there is sometimes a difference between the official teachings of the church and the beliefs of the average church member (or even pastor).
Thanks, and yeah, I think your right.
I think that is most likely the case.
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