Ancient Christian Witness

2 comments:

Anders Branderud said...

a/Answer to The Heresy of the Ebionites
b/Ribi Yehoshua were enlivened on a Shabat, not on sun-[g*od]-day.

Hello,
You should really start to read sources except NT and Church fathers.

You shall read historical documents written by Scholars. You shall read Scholar-documents about the Qumran-scrolls.

If you want to prove your claims, than give me what Scholars the Christian author bases his claims on.
If he doesn’t bases his claims at scholars – they are not valid.

Regarding Greek and Hebrew:

Quote 1:
“Prof. Meyer wrote: "in Galilee, Greek was uncommon, if not rare, among first-century Jews." I think the evidence is sparse and unconvincing. Aside from gentiles, Greek was common among all Hellenist Jews and only among those Jews who were Hellenists. So, whatever Jewish communities were Hellenist spoke Greek and in whatever communities Pharisaic Jews lived they spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Where is evidence to the contrary? I don't see how Ribi Yehoshua or Miryam ha-Migdalit represent any contradiction.”

(quote from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu); Mashiakh top men); Talpiot


Quote 2:
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(Steve Lusk — USA 2008.01.24; www.bib-arch.org/tomb/bswbTombBackground.asp)
"One critical question remains unaddressed: If the "Mary Magdalene" ossuary belongs with the others, why is it labeled in Greek, while the others are labeled in Aramaic? Surely a husband and wife would share a common language, even in death."
An interesting observation. I noticed that too… and it bothered me a bit too. By the time of her death, ca. 60-80 C.E. (we may presume several decades after Ribi Yәhoshua and his mother, מריה (inscribed in Hebrew), Hellenist Jews had become more predominant. That's documented in the Hellenized NT book of "Acts."
Further, the Greek inscription may well corroborate extra-NT accounts that Mariamænou/Mara is Mariamæ of (Greek-speaking Hellenist) Migdal, a revered Nәtzârim Mor•âh′ . Because of her ability to speak Greek, she may have been the principle teacher to Hellenist Jews and geirim in Yәrushâlayim.
We don't know precisely when the rabid misojudaism of Hellenization—the burning of Torâhs and persecution of Jews, Judaism and Hebrew—began in Yәrushâlayim. Although it's generally supposed to have followed the Bar-Kokhvâ uprising (i.e., 135 C.E.), this could be an indication of an earlier Hellenist misojudaism suppressing Hebrew—in the wake of the destruction of Yәrushâlayim in 70 C.E.
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(quote from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu); Mashiakh top men); Talpiot )

Ribi Yehoshua was enlivened at one Shabat:
“Prof. Magness continues, "When the women entered the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea on S*unday morning…" Gentiles have never been able to makes sense of the Greek account because they're ignorant of Judaic practice. The Greek reads "on Motzaei Shabat, twilight waning in one of the Shabaton…" (very early evening at the conclusion of Shabbat, twilight waning in one of the Special Shabbats…). S*unday morning was adopted centuries later by sun-worshipping Hellenist Roman idolaters. First-century Pharisee Jews loathed such idolatry”
(quote from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu); Mashiakh top men); Talpiot )

Anders Branderud
Follower of Ribi Yehoshua - Mashiakh (some translate it Mashiakh) - in Orthodox Judaism
If you want to learn more about my life and religion; then click at our website www.netzarim.co.il -- than click at the link "Christians" – then click at my photo.

June 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Jnorm said...

Prof Meyers needs to look at the actual archeological evidence. As well as the second temple literature of that era.

I know about the Qumran -scrolls.

I know that in alot of places they agree with the LXX.

http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/sources/deadseascrolls.htm



JNORM888

June 21, 2008 at 6:31 PM