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Saturday, December 8, 2007
The difference between Augustinianism and Calvinism
One of the differences between Augustinianism and Calvinism deals with the last point of the T.U.L.I.P.
The "P" or Perseverence of the Saints.
Saint Augustine's early works would be more in line with semi-pelagianism and Arminianism, whereas his later works would seem more in line with Calvinism.
Some Calvinists would claim that Augustinianism was nothing more than Calvinism before the time of John Calvin. But that's not 100%ly true.
It is said that in Augustinian theology there is an "election" to grace(initial salvation) and an "election" to glory(final salvation).
In other words. ....all of the "regenerate" are elected to grace, but not all of the "regenerate" will be elected to glory.
I might be wrong but I think this is what Saint Augustine tought.
On the otherhand you have Calvinism and this is where Calvinism breaks from Augustinianism.
In Calvinism you have a theology called "the golden chain" or "the unbroken chain". And according to them the last set of verses found in Romans chapter 8 supports the idea that everyone who is elected to grace(initial salvation) will be elected to glory(final salvation).
In other words. All of the regenerated who are elected to grace will also be elected to glory.
And this is why Calvinists and psuedo-calvinists are not able to understand John chapter 15, Romans chapter 11, and Hebrews chapter 6 the way everybody else does.
They are always reading the "golden chain" into these chapters.
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The "P" or Perseverence of the Saints.
Saint Augustine's early works would be more in line with semi-pelagianism and Arminianism, whereas his later works would seem more in line with Calvinism.
Some Calvinists would claim that Augustinianism was nothing more than Calvinism before the time of John Calvin. But that's not 100%ly true.
It is said that in Augustinian theology there is an "election" to grace(initial salvation) and an "election" to glory(final salvation).
In other words. ....all of the "regenerate" are elected to grace, but not all of the "regenerate" will be elected to glory.
I might be wrong but I think this is what Saint Augustine tought.
On the otherhand you have Calvinism and this is where Calvinism breaks from Augustinianism.
In Calvinism you have a theology called "the golden chain" or "the unbroken chain". And according to them the last set of verses found in Romans chapter 8 supports the idea that everyone who is elected to grace(initial salvation) will be elected to glory(final salvation).
In other words. All of the regenerated who are elected to grace will also be elected to glory.
And this is why Calvinists and psuedo-calvinists are not able to understand John chapter 15, Romans chapter 11, and Hebrews chapter 6 the way everybody else does.
They are always reading the "golden chain" into these chapters.
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2 comments:
Great post.
That's how I understood Augustine as well. Here's my take on his view of the difference between the "gift of faith" and the "gift of perseverance".
Augustine on falling from grace
God bless,
Dan
yeah, that seems pretty accurate.